Jun
14
2007

Stack & Tilt: A Follow-up

Posted by Double Eagle in Ball Striking Tips, Stack and Tilt

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On Tuesday, I brought up the “Stack and Tilt”, a revolution in the basic golf swing. As promised, here’s a follow-up.

Yesterday evening I got out to the range and decided I was going to spend almost all my time evaluating the Stack and Tilt golf swing. Click the link above to my original post where you can get the whole story on the radical swing. Basically, since transferring weight to the right side then back left is considered inefficient by the developers of the technique, the idea is to keep the spine vertical over the ball with the weight more on the left throughout the swing.

I read the Golf Digest article on the Stack and Tilt several times to absorb all the detail. When I got to the range, it took me maybe 10-20 balls before I really started to get the feeling of the new swing.

At that point, I did start to notice a high draw, and nice, solid contact on my irons. It felt strange at first (naturally), but by the end of the around 50-60 balls, I was really starting to hit some nice, penetrating shots with each club. I hit balls with my 7-iron, 2-iron, 3-wood and driver. I have to say that it did feel like there was a nice consistency. Obviously I didn’t hit every ball well because it was my first attempt, but I can see where after a couple of sessions, I might see an increase in ball striking consistency.

Distance seemed to be all there too. In fact, it seemed like some shots may have actually been a little longer than what I normally hit. I was hitting some serious bombs with my driver.

Overall, I was pleased with the ease at which I was able to adapt to the technique and with the results it was producing.

As I left the range, I had a chance to talk to my pro about the technique for a few minutes. While he wasn’t necessarily dead-set against it, he clearly isn’t a supporter either. His feeling is that it’s really nothing new. That there have been similar attempts to keep the weight on the left throughout the swing that have come and gone through the years.

He also feels that the technique is really just a mask for improperly taught (or learned) fundamentals. He believes that the technique improves players where consistency lacks because of a swing that is too much hands and arms and where a player suffers from too much lateral head movement during the swing. By keeping the head in what is essentially the impact position and by keeping the hands and arms more synchronized with the upper body during the swing it hides these other flaws.

I couldn’t help wondering: is it really an issue if this technique masks improper “traditional” fundamentals?

For me, and for many others, the results speak for themselves. However, here are the reasons that I’m not going to pursue the Stack and Tilt right yet:

  • Given that I’m rehabbing a herniated disk in my back, I’m not sure how this swing will affect me over the long term. I’ve read lots of people saying that it’s fine on the back, but that’s them. I need to know for me. It really hinges on serious rotational speed in the hips to maintain and/or increase power while using a shorter back swing. While I can say my back is all right after this one short session, I don’t know how I’ll feel after weeks of it.
  • I’m a little concerned about the violent (I don’t like that word, but it’s the best I can think of right now) straightening of the left leg that thrusts the hips and upper body upward, shallowing out the angle of attack prior to impact. I read somewhere that whipping that left leg straight is Tiger Woods’ secret for power when he needs that extra few yards and that doing that might have been the cause of the knee problem he had several years back that sidelined him for a bit. If that move could cause some irritation or wear and tear on my knee, I’d like to avoid it. (Edit for clarification: certainly we all experience that straightening in the left leg, but it’s the speed and force involved in the Stack and Tilt and in Tiger’s power move that have me curious.)
  • I’m not convinced that it’s more than a fad yet. There are only 20 Tour pros using it (or intending to use it in the near future). I want to see what happens as time goes on. Will Aaron Baddeley be using it in 5 years? What about the top players on Tour? Will they switch?
  • Along those lines, I’ll feel a little more confident when I see Jim Flick, Jim McLean, David Leadbetter, etc. telling me about it on Golf Channel Academy.
  • While the swing does seem to improve ball striking (I was hitting some real laser beams out there), what does it do for shot making? Is it harder to shape the ball? This is more of an unknown because I really didn’t try to shape the ball at the time.
  • I trust my pro. I have faith in him. He’s been around the game for a long time. He understands the swing very well. If he’s not sold yet, then I’m not sold yet.
  • There’s no rush because in about 2/3 of a basket of balls, I had picked up the technique. I’m guessing 2 or 3 range sessions and I’d be ready for course. It’s not like I’m being left behind if the technique gains wide acceptance. If my reservations don’t pan out after a while, I feel like the switch will be simple.
  • I think there’s something to be said for what my pro mentioned about masking fundamentals. In the end, if you hit the ball straight and long, I guess it doesn’t matter, but I’d rather just be fundamentally sound and decide to pick up the technique because I feel like it’s better, not because I’m running away from poor traditional fundamentals.
  • I want to read something critical about the swing. Golf Digest hyped the “swing revolution” to sell magazines. Now I want to read a viewpoint from someone reputable on the opposite side. If there is any down side, I want to know what it is. Maybe there is none, but I want the idea tossed around to all the golf gurus before I abandon my progress with the traditional swing.

There are some interesting things I learned that I’m going to hold on to. For instance, I feel like sometimes my hips slide toward the target some on the downswing and I don’t get the rotational action as much as I should. Well, I got a front row seat to what serious hip rotation feels like. I’m going to try and get better at that in my traditional swing. Also, I tend to have a problem with sliding my head right on the back swing. I now have a good feel for what it’s like when my head is very steady in a lateral sense.

Even though I’m not going to pursue the Stack and Tilt right yet, I still recommend that you give it a try. In the end, we all have our own reasons for doing things. Don’t let my apprehension keep you from trying something that could improve your own game. At worst, it won’t work and you’ll be right back where you are. At best, it will probably improve your consistency and even add some distance.

(Note: Since this post was written, I have written another Stack and Tilt post where I do some analysis and compare it with the modern swing.)

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Further Reading:

Stack and Tilt Instructional DVD Set (Life in the Rough)
Golf Digest Revisits the Stack and Tilt (Life in the Rough)
More Stack and Tilt Analysis (Life in the Rough)
The Stack and Tilt? (Life in the Rough)
The New Tour Swing (Golf Digest, June 2007)
Stack and Tilt Part 2 (Golf Digest, September 2007)
Stack and Tilt Critics Speak Out (Golf Digest, September 2007)


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There are currently 48 responses to “Stack & Tilt: A Follow-up”

  1. 1

    Greg Bartz said:

    Great post Mike!

    I think this game is best learned through experimentation and awareness. After your initial post, I tried the method too. My experience was similar to yours in that the results were acceptable. I could not get comfortable with it though with only one range session. I was not able to generate power with my long irons comparable to my normal swing.

    I may continue to play with it on the range a time or two to see if I can get more comfortable with it.

    -G

    Posted on June 14th, 2007 at 11:39 am

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    Double Eagle said:

    Thanks, Greg. Experimentation is really fun. I think in the long run, it’s that kind of thing that makes a better player. Ben Hogan, for instance, learned a lot about the swing by experimentation on the range.

    Something kind of strange about that session that I didn’t mention in the main post: I mixed in about 30 Pelz finesse wedge shots here and there for a change of scenery every once in a while, and they (maybe 20-25) were some of the best I’ve ever hit. I mean absolute perfect tempo, precisely repeatable distance, the whole deal. I wonder if the Stack and Tilt didn’t help me remove some of my lateral movement impulses on the finesse swing (which I didn’t consciously change in any way). Those movements (and compensations to deal with them) cause me problems with consistency sometimes.

    Posted on June 14th, 2007 at 11:58 am

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    Thecpa said:

    Maybe it’s time for the video camera to tape both the stack & tilt and the conventional swing to see if there are flaws being covered up or to reveal that maybe the stack & tilt is a better way to go. Good luck getting it sorted out.

    Posted on June 14th, 2007 at 5:49 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    Video is a great way to identify problems. I’m not sure that I want to take the time to compare my regular swing with the Stack and Tilt just yet because I’m pretty sure that I’m not going to pursue it right now. The actions are different enough that I’m not sure that one will tell me much about the other (I definitely could be wrong about that). The exception is the stuff I mentioned that I took from the experiment: shifting hips and head. I’ll apply those sensations to my normal swing.

    But taking video of my normal swing is something that I really need to do soon. I’ve made a lot of progress and should really take some time to visually monitor it.

    Posted on June 14th, 2007 at 8:55 pm

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    Andy said:

    Been at it about 3 weeks. Love it. For those who are older and have lost some flexibility - you can’t go wrong. All of my misses go in one direction- toward the target. Ball contact is so much better , thus distance and direction are better. I am into it big-time.

    Posted on June 21st, 2007 at 3:13 pm

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    Andy said:

    Forgot to add. With the traditional swing I shot from a good day 76 to a bad day 82. Now with less misses and more greens in regulation it is never higher than 77. Hitting more greens relaxes you on the putting and thus more made for birdie.

    Posted on June 21st, 2007 at 3:33 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    Glad to hear you’re having success, Andy!

    It seems like from what I’m reading, it’s hard to find many players who have actually tried the stack & tilt that haven’t seen real improvement. Most of the criticism seems to come from people who haven’t even given it a shot.

    My decision not to pursue it right away is certainly not set in stone. The more times I hear success stories like yours, the more I can feel myself moving that way.

    Posted on June 21st, 2007 at 3:50 pm

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    Andy said:

    Double Eagle - I don’t know how old you are or what your talent level is. If you are successful now - why mess with success? But, even Tiger messed with success to get better. If you are stuck on a certain range of scores everytime you play it is worth a try to break the mold.Good luck !

    Posted on June 21st, 2007 at 4:31 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    I’m 33 now, and I’m not playing at a high level yet. A couple of years back, I was close to the single digits (it was 10.x) with my handicap, but had a bout with a herniated disk in my back. I’m finally getting going this year and am having to rebuild consistency and knock down a lot of bad habits that I conquered before. My handicap is probably somewhere in the mid to high teens right now, but I’ve spent most of the year practicing and working on weight loss and fitness, so I don’t really know.

    One of the items on my to-do list is to be diligent about posting scores for a handicap, so I hope to quantify that by August.

    I guess in that sense, it almost makes sense for me to give it a go, since I’m essentially rebuilding my game.

    Right now, fitness and weight loss are my top priorities, so I’m not too worried about it. I’ll give it some serious thought over the winter as I plan for next spring.

    Posted on June 21st, 2007 at 4:46 pm

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    Trevor said:

    Have been using for three weeks now and I am a convert! Was a 13 hdcp - now down to an 11. Shot the low round of my life yesterday and by buddies are commenting (they dont even realize i changed my swing). Struggle with the Driver a little bit but everything else is longer and straighter. When the driver is working it is a rocket. Wedges are like lasers. Don’t understand the negativity over this. Someone said it best “if you are not improving your scores what is wrong with trying something new to improve”. It is a very simple concept and to me that is a positive. Golf pros are likely to admonish it because they don’t teach it.
    It works people. Try it.

    Posted on June 28th, 2007 at 12:18 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    I agree Trevor. People should definitely do what they feel is right for them. If a player spends time, money, and effort trying to improve his game, then this is definitely something to look at.

    My reasons for not switching right now are my own. But one thing I wasn’t going to do was criticize the swing without even trying it. In fact, I don’t really have anything critical to say about it, other than a bunch of unknowns and comfortable adherence to the status quo.

    Posted on June 28th, 2007 at 12:39 pm

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    David Young said:

    Just to chime in with those who have successfully given it a try - after reading the GD article and 25 balls on the range I took S+T to the course today during a fun tournament at my club. I’m a 9 handicap with a dodgy back and got it round in 76 ! No fluky long putts or chip-ins, just very solid ballstriking - and as your other correspondents say my misses were all straight. More spin on the irons, a bit more distance on the longer clubs - but always very very straight. My only concern now is that too many other people find out !

    Posted on June 30th, 2007 at 1:54 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    I noticed the same things you did, David.

    I have to admit I had the same thoughts too about what’s going to happen if it catches on and everyone starts striking the ball like they never have before.

    Equipment has raised the bar over the last couple of decades and I wonder if the bar is due for another lift now.

    I might be forced to change!

    Posted on June 30th, 2007 at 2:09 pm

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    DANA said:

    It has worked for me for along time. My students too.

    Posted on July 17th, 2007 at 3:33 am

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    Double Eagle said:

    Dana, how long would you say you’ve been using it and teaching it? From what I read and hear, this swing has been around a long time. Maybe Plummer and Bennett are getting press because they’re getting it accepted on Tour.

    I’m also interested to know what led you to take up the swing yourself. I see on your website that you worked with Mac O’Grady. His name is mentioned a lot when discussion turns to the origins of the Stack and Tilt.

    Posted on July 17th, 2007 at 8:31 am

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    Trevor said:

    As previously posted - am a convert. everything is working well except once in a while you just “have to hit a fade” and I cannot seem to do it with this swing. Have tried aligning myself left of target with club head pointing at direction I want it to go and swinging along body line but doesn’t work (how I used to do it).
    Anyone have any suggestions?
    Thanks,

    Posted on July 17th, 2007 at 2:37 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    Trevor, I’m surprised that you’re not able to fade the ball with the club head open. One thing I’d check is that you’re making your normal setup and then opening the club by actually rotating the handle of the club in your hands. Some people tend to just roll their hands open, which won’t do the trick because they’ll return to a neutral position at impact.

    The best way to do it is to set up square as if you were going to hit the ball to some other target left of the real target. Then, take your right hand off the grip while maintaining your left hand position. Use your right hand to twirl the club a little in your left hand (loosen your hold some so it can turn freely). Then return your right hand and swing away.

    Another possibility is that you’re lining up your feet correctly a little left but just opening the club face by turning your shoulders to be more parallel to the target than your feet (which are aimed left). In other words, feet open to the target, but shoulders in line with the target. At impact, you could be back to square because of some manipulations you’re doing but aren’t aware.

    When you set up, use an aim club on the ground and hold a club across your hips and shoulders to make sure that everything is aligned along the line where you want the ball to start and that it stays that way after you address the ball with an open club face.

    At your handicap level, I’d be surprised if it was the first possibility, but these are two things that came to mind.

    Anyone have any other ideas?

    Posted on July 17th, 2007 at 4:27 pm

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    Trevor said:

    Thanks Double Eagle. I think you are right. I intentionaly grip my sand wedge that way as it is automatic but am probably not regripping my irons the same way for some reason. With the new swing change my brain must have been overloaded! If I can hit the fade on demand with the Stack and Tilt (which is normally a little draw) then will be a happy golfer.

    Now about those three putts! :)

    Posted on July 17th, 2007 at 5:12 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    Good luck, Trevor!

    Let us know how you make out. When we get you fading the ball again, we’ll work on those three putts ;)

    Posted on July 17th, 2007 at 5:23 pm

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    David Young said:

    Still booking great results with this swing, including my first ever hole in one last weekend ! Also just to reassure you about potential back problems - which I also suffer from - absolutely no problem, actually feel much more comfortable with the S+T and even managed 36 holes in a day recently without difficulty….

    Posted on August 6th, 2007 at 4:59 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    Thanks for checking back in David.

    It’s awesome that you got a hole in one! I’m still working on getting my first.

    It’s also good to hear that your back is holding up well and that the S&T is continuing to work for you.

    Chalk up another S&T success story. It’s getting harder for me to hold off on switching.

    Posted on August 6th, 2007 at 5:15 pm

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    Golf Digest Revisits the Stack and Tilt said:

    [...] Stack and Tilt: A Follow Up (Life in the Rough) [...]

    Posted on August 9th, 2007 at 11:20 pm

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    More Stack and Tilt Golf Swing Analysis said:

    [...] Stack and Tilt: A Follow Up (Life in the Rough) [...]

    Posted on August 9th, 2007 at 11:25 pm

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    The Stack and Tilt? - The New Tour Golf Swing said:

    [...] Revisits the Stack and Tilt (Life in the Rough) More Stack and Tilt Analysis (Life in the Rough) Stack and Tilt: A Follow Up (Life in the Rough) The New Tour Swing (Golf Digest, June [...]

    Posted on August 10th, 2007 at 1:11 pm

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    Wayne said:

    Hello Everyone

    i was reading what everyone had to say about s&t and just had to add my comments.i have worked on this swing for approx two months and the results have been……GREAT!! i am hitting shots that are to me almost not believable.was a 17 hc when i started now down to 13.fellows i am playing with shake there heads and tell me i should be playing to 8 or 9. now the swing ….nice soft draws…can fade…but the secret to this swing in my opinion is to FATHFULLY REPRODUCE THE ACTIONS AS DEMONSTRATED IN GOLF DIGEST. do not “kid” yourself into thinking you are doing it right…do it right!hit the postions and if u do it will make a difference in your shot patterns and trajectory.now i do practice and still have a few moments but way way less bad and way more good to great…golf is a lot of fun now and am darned excited. sorry for going on fellas but am into this and the results speak for themselves…..ps ..no physical problem using this swing and have gained distance using it. ie 7 iron average 170yds.

    CHEERS

    Wayne J.

    Posted on October 27th, 2007 at 10:01 am

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    ajs said:

    Played a couple of rounds using Stack & Tilt. Hit iron shots with amazing accuracy. Play to a 9 handicap that varies considerably. Played to a 6 the first day using the S&T. Played again couple of days later to a 11 (where I had an OB and a couple of 3 putts). I also developed pain in my lower left back (have had problems in the area of my back in the past playing squash). Is there something I am doing wrong that is perhaps putting strain on my lower left back? Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

    Posted on November 24th, 2007 at 4:09 am

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    Double Eagle said:

    It’s hard to say if you’re doing something wrong without seeing you swing, ajs.

    I’ve read comments where people have said their backs feel great after trying the swing. But, you could have a different sort of back problem than them, or maybe you’re doing something wrong with the swing. Without seeing it, there’s no way to tell.

    What I recommend is seeing a specialist about your back to find out what the exact problem is. I lived with back pain for a long time thinking that was just the way of things. I finally got checked out and found that I have a herniated disk. I was able to target the issue with rehab and exercise and it has helped me a lot.

    Some critics of the stack and tilt claim that it will cause back problems in people over time. I don’t know if that’s the case or not, but be aware that there are critics.

    All that said, if you don’t have pain swinging the traditional way and you didn’t start to get it until you tried the stack and tilt (aside from when it hurt playing squash), I’d suspect that you’re not doing the swing right. Besides from getting checked by a doctor, you might want to review all the instructional material from Golf Digest. You can find them linked in this post as well as in my other posts in the Stack and Tilt category. Maybe it’ll trigger something and you’ll realize you’re forgetting to do something correctly.

    Posted on November 24th, 2007 at 8:33 am

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    ajs said:

    Double Eagle, thanks for your comments. I will be honest with you, in that I have really been powering down on the ball. Its been a long time since I have hit such iron shots - trajectory, flush in the centre, straight to the pin. Perhaps I have just overdone it. Maybe I need to back off coming down on the ball. As usual, any thoughts from you are much appreciated.

    Posted on November 24th, 2007 at 9:50 am

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    Double Eagle said:

    It sounds like you may be falling into the exact same trap that I fall into myself. The better I hit the ball (more flush, crisp, longer, etc.) the harder I tend to swing. Eventually that just leads me to soreness and within a short time, mishits and bad contact.

    Maybe you’re right and you’re just coming down really hard and are putting stress on yourself. I think your idea of backing off a little sounds like a good plan. Listen to your body, though. If you’re still having a lot of pain, get checked out.

    Besides, if your ball striking is really coming around, then the next scoring plateau is probably in the short game. Putting more work into that will take some of the stress off your back.

    Stay in touch and let everyone know how you make out.

    Posted on November 24th, 2007 at 10:09 am

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    wayne said:

    to double eagle

    hi wayne here just wanted to let u know i have read your comments…..very impressed you comments are even with thought behind them,i would like to here if u are going to continue to pursue the s&t for next spring or leave it go.for me personally it has been something i needed to change my game and it certainly has.your comment about your pro feeling it masked over some flaws in peoples swings is interesting, however if the net result is overall better shot making and better scores and that elusive thing called “consistancy” then i will live with masking my flaws,any comments let me know.

    CHEERS
    WAYNE J.

    Posted on November 24th, 2007 at 12:25 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    Hi Wayne,

    I agree with you 100%. Any thing you do in golf should align with what you want to accomplish. Whether it’s practice time or swing technique, your own goals should come first. If there is a swing that masks “flaws” but it makes you play better, then I say go for it if that’s putting you where you want to be.

    I still haven’t made up my mind what I’m going to do this coming year. I’m still hearing good things about the Stack and Tilt and it seems like more and more Tour pros are switching. I’m even hearing about local pros in this area trying it out. I’m really only concerned about my back at this point. I’ll make a decision when spring gets closer.

    Mike

    Posted on November 24th, 2007 at 1:30 pm

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    A Look Back At 2007 » Life in the Rough said:

    [...] Stack and Tilt: A Follow-Up [...]

    Posted on December 30th, 2007 at 4:50 pm

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    George said:

    We are a research and process development firm. We are just finishing a golf instruction dvd for golfers over 40 and we extensively tested several teaching methods with older golfers. The stack and tilt method, with a few modifications for the driver, proved to be the easiest and , by far, most effective teaching and learning process for golfers in their 40s-70s. Our extensive research and testing proved long and short term, almost miraculous, improvement in high as well as low handicap players in this age group. We made it a core method on our DVD to be released in March on the Golf Channel.

    Posted on February 25th, 2008 at 9:35 am

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    John said:

    I tried the stack and tilt after being told about it from a Nationwide Tour player. I tried it a bit on an afternoon round and shot 6 strokes better than I did that morning. I like the consistency. My index was 3.5 in the fall and now am up to 6.5 so I have been looking to get more consistent in lieu of less practice/playing time. I would like to respond to the comments about making fundamentals. If you have ever played with professional or even scratch golfers their ball striking is usually phenomenal. Good hand-eye coordination is a talent and can be developed but for those of us who work at other things than golf this swing may help with consistency with less practice. Just a thought.

    Posted on February 28th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    Good points, John. Consistency seems to be something that a lot of players are getting from the Stack and Tilt. Most notably, that consistency comes quickly. People of all different handicap levels are reporting that they’ve made great strides and have done it immediately, sometimes literally over night.

    Posted on February 28th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

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    Score4 said:

    Fad or not, Stack and Tilt works. I tried it last year and started to play very well, got down to a 2. This year I went back to the old swing and climbed to a 6. I went back to it again last Sunday and shot 68. The proof is in the score….

    Posted on April 29th, 2008 at 2:17 am

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    stack n tilt - Shot Talk - Golf Forum said:

    [...] information? Do tell… Couple of sites: What is the “Stack & Tilt” golf swing? Stack and Tilt: A Follow-up More Stack and Tilt Golf Swing Analysis Stack and Tilt: The New Tour Swing: Instruction: [...]

    Posted on July 22nd, 2008 at 6:35 pm

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    Bob said:

    I finally took the time to read about the Stack and tilt after watching the Canadian open yesterday and realized that I had change to this swing 2 years ago. As a 50+ plus guy that only gets to play once or twice a month any more I was having trouble with the chunky and thin hits with my irons which have long been the strength of my game. I had always kept my weight forward when hitting punch shots from trouble lies and into the wind to encourage solid contact so I just basically switched to that type of swing completly. I found that with all clubs I have a lower ball flight and improved distance control (probably because to contact is perdictable. I did loose some distance from the few pure shots I made a round with the old swing but hell those shots usually carried the green and put me in deep trouble anyway. In summation I would rater hit the 7 iron 150 and know it will go between 148 and 155 consistantly than hit an 8 iron from 150 that may go 155 but usually found the front bunker after a fat divot and a carry of 130.

    Weather you call it Stack and tilt or simplifing the swing I couldn’t care less I am scoring better than I have in 20 years and am moving my handicap back under 15 for the first time in many years. Now about those 3 putts…..

    Posted on July 26th, 2008 at 9:58 am

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    Stack and Tilt Golf Swing - Shot Talk - Golf Forum said:

    [...] Couple of sites: What is the “Stack & Tilt” golf swing? Stack and Tilt: A Follow-up More Stack and Tilt Golf Swing Analysis Stack and Tilt: The New Tour Swing: Instruction: [...]

    Posted on July 26th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

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    More Stack and Tilt Golf Swing Analysis | Life in the Rough Test Site said:

    [...] Further Reading: Golf Digest Revisits the Stack and Tilt (Life in the Rough) Stack and Tilt: A Follow Up (Life in the Rough) The Stack and Tilt? (Life in the Rough) The New Tour Swing (Golf Digest, June [...]

    Posted on August 8th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

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    Ed said:

    I’m happy to have found this site as an alternative to the bickering about S&T… instead sharing experiences. If a technique works, use it… if not, don’t. Seems simple enough to me.

    I tried out S&T more on a lark. I feel I’m fairly open-minded about golf — if something will deliver the clubhead to the ball consistently, I’m all for it. Since my trend was to hit thin shots, I figured I’d try out the DVD.

    My experiences so far.

    My short irons are absolutely great! Excellent flight with exceptional spin. That made me think this is could be something. My longer irons from 5 and up now draw, when I used to consistently fade or slice — a big selling point for me!

    I haven’t had much success with my driver, however. It just doesn’t “feel” right to me… so I don’t do it. I have found, however, that I’m more stable now with less sway when I drive, so that’s a benefit, as well. Another benefit is no lower back strain… I’m 42, and that used to be an issue.

    As far as in practice rounds, I’m consistently hitting solid shots that are keeping my rounds in the mid 70’s, a difference of a few strokes per rounds — although I’ve spent a little less time putting since working S&T.

    I’ll be playing my first tournament using S&T this Friday (8/15), so this will be interesting to try it out in a “pressure” situation — my normal time to hit the bad shots!

    Posted on August 13th, 2008 at 8:28 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    Glad you stopped by, Ed. I can’t wait to hear how you make out in your tournament.

    Posted on August 14th, 2008 at 10:51 am

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    Ed said:

    To summarize the tournament, it was a big win for Stack and Tilt! It was a two-man tournament with the first nine holes being best ball, and the second nine being alternate shot.

    Our team ended up -1 (35) over the first nine holes, and (where it really counted) -2 (34) over the back nine for a first place finish. The big key to this… my partner already plays solid golf, and I was able to make the key shots where it really counted, with no thought of hitting a bad shot.

    Posted on August 23rd, 2008 at 7:38 pm

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    Herminio said:

    I have review this methods and was left unsure about how far to take the club back and position of club at finish. More when I return from the range.

    HD

    Posted on September 7th, 2008 at 11:48 am

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    Golf Nut said:

    Just found this blog today. I tried the SAT on a lark four days ago and can not believe the consistency of shots hit to date. I am a 9.1 index and just shot a smooth 78 followed up by a 79 yesterday.

    The more I read about SAT the more I like the concept. Will stick with it since I have had two back surgeries - the last one was a four level fusion (lower back) a year ago. The SAT works well and does not cause any undo stress or pain on my lower spine.

    Sure glad I tried SAT. Now comes the task of getting my handicap down to a five (my goal)!!!!!

    Posted on September 8th, 2008 at 7:11 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    Don’t stop at 5, Golf Nut! Once the Stack and Tilt gives you the consistency that you’re looking for, there’s always short game and putting to look at.

    Good luck getting to a 5 (and beyond).

    Posted on September 8th, 2008 at 8:47 pm

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    The Claw said:

    @Double Eagle (or Albatros as we say in Europe).

    I can not believe you trust your pro more then the result(s) of your (s&t) swing. It’s by far the best thing that aver happened to me, switch to this very simple and very effective swing.

    regards,
    The Claw

    Posted on October 7th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

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    Double Eagle said:

    Claw, it’s not so much a matter of trust. It’s a matter of knowing that as I progress, I’m essentially going to be on my own. By maintaining a traditional swing, I can still work with a coach who can help me overcome problems. As the S&T gains ground, maybe I’ll be able to find a pro to work with me and I can think about switching.

    Posted on October 7th, 2008 at 6:59 pm

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