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		<title>By: Mitchellray</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/06/24/more-stack-tilt-analysis/comment-page-5/#comment-7035</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchellray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,
Congradulations, you may have hit upon the real basis underlying the &#039;Stack and Tilt&#039; methodology.
First, I would like to suggest that MacKenzie, in the images, does not appear to be executing the Stack and Tilt methods well.  There are many inconsistencies with the abc&#039;s of it.
Second, Tiger would appear to exhibit more of the S&amp;T&#039;s characteristics than MacKenzie.
Here&#039;s where you may have done it!  Tiger&#039;s hip tilt from rear to front at address is akin to the position (orientation) that S&amp;T wants you to achieve in the backswing, i.e. the stacked hip position.
If one will try to tilt the hips in that manner at address and prior to initiating the backswing, it may be found that a more fluid hip shift, first rear, and then forward on the downswing will be forthcoming.
This yields a very similar feel to the S&amp;T&#039;s relatively weight forward positions through and after impact, but with more inertia.  Also, since S&amp;T has one sliding the hips forward on the downswing, it is similar to the hip shift associated with the transfer of weight from rear to front leg in more traditional schools of execution theory.  The stated difference is that S&amp;T has one sliding the hip past the front post, whereas traditionally, the hip is to hit the invisible wall and rotate to clear the path (interpretaion summary).
As a related comment, Tiger can easily be seen to regularly swing &#039;out of his socks&#039; as he comes through impact into the follow through.  This is, I believe, exactly what Stack and Tilt asks you to do by stretching past impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
Congradulations, you may have hit upon the real basis underlying the &#8216;Stack and Tilt&#8217; methodology.<br />
First, I would like to suggest that MacKenzie, in the images, does not appear to be executing the Stack and Tilt methods well.  There are many inconsistencies with the abc&#8217;s of it.<br />
Second, Tiger would appear to exhibit more of the S&amp;T&#8217;s characteristics than MacKenzie.<br />
Here&#8217;s where you may have done it!  Tiger&#8217;s hip tilt from rear to front at address is akin to the position (orientation) that S&amp;T wants you to achieve in the backswing, i.e. the stacked hip position.<br />
If one will try to tilt the hips in that manner at address and prior to initiating the backswing, it may be found that a more fluid hip shift, first rear, and then forward on the downswing will be forthcoming.<br />
This yields a very similar feel to the S&amp;T&#8217;s relatively weight forward positions through and after impact, but with more inertia.  Also, since S&amp;T has one sliding the hips forward on the downswing, it is similar to the hip shift associated with the transfer of weight from rear to front leg in more traditional schools of execution theory.  The stated difference is that S&amp;T has one sliding the hip past the front post, whereas traditionally, the hip is to hit the invisible wall and rotate to clear the path (interpretaion summary).<br />
As a related comment, Tiger can easily be seen to regularly swing &#8216;out of his socks&#8217; as he comes through impact into the follow through.  This is, I believe, exactly what Stack and Tilt asks you to do by stretching past impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Double Eagle</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/06/24/more-stack-tilt-analysis/comment-page-5/#comment-6372</link>
		<dc:creator>Double Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coleman, I&#039;m sorry to hear about your heart troubles. Not only because it&#039;s a life and death matter, but I&#039;m sad to hear that it&#039;s forcing you to possibly give up the game.

The Stack and Tilt definitely isn&#039;t what you want because that&#039;s a very rotational swing.  I&#039;m not sure what to recommend.  First and foremost, I recommend working with your doctor to try and find a compromise that doesn&#039;t put your life in jeopardy.  If he thinks it&#039;s safe, then an arms-only swing might work for you. You would lose distance, but at least you&#039;d be able to continue playing.

Best of luck trying to work something out and hopefully if you do have heart surgery in the future, it will allow you to play again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coleman, I&#8217;m sorry to hear about your heart troubles. Not only because it&#8217;s a life and death matter, but I&#8217;m sad to hear that it&#8217;s forcing you to possibly give up the game.</p>
<p>The Stack and Tilt definitely isn&#8217;t what you want because that&#8217;s a very rotational swing.  I&#8217;m not sure what to recommend.  First and foremost, I recommend working with your doctor to try and find a compromise that doesn&#8217;t put your life in jeopardy.  If he thinks it&#8217;s safe, then an arms-only swing might work for you. You would lose distance, but at least you&#8217;d be able to continue playing.</p>
<p>Best of luck trying to work something out and hopefully if you do have heart surgery in the future, it will allow you to play again.</p>
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		<title>By: Coleman Hatfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coleman Hatfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As my cardiologist says due to my thoracic aortic aneurysm, I am a 70 year old male, I should give up golf because of the undue pressure in my chest.  In that I hate to give up golf, I am going to attempt to use a swing that involves very little if any twist of my body.
Perhaps using mostly my arms and breaking my wrist very early in the back swing.  Any thoughts that you have.

Will probably have to have open heart surgery for aorta and valve replacement in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As my cardiologist says due to my thoracic aortic aneurysm, I am a 70 year old male, I should give up golf because of the undue pressure in my chest.  In that I hate to give up golf, I am going to attempt to use a swing that involves very little if any twist of my body.<br />
Perhaps using mostly my arms and breaking my wrist very early in the back swing.  Any thoughts that you have.</p>
<p>Will probably have to have open heart surgery for aorta and valve replacement in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: hanon</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/06/24/more-stack-tilt-analysis/comment-page-5/#comment-6243</link>
		<dc:creator>hanon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key for S&amp;T is that it is a swing powered more by the right side than the left side. From the top you have to feel that your right arm (for righties) is conciously straightening to accelerate the club, while rotating your right shoulder down toward the ball.

Those who try S&amp;T just by using their left side are advocated to disater IMHO. S&amp;T is a swing derived from The golfing Machine. It is classified under those  types called &quot;punch shot&quot;. All it is said with this last sentence. I don´t know why this idea is not yet so known in the S&amp;T  community. P&amp;B don´t explain it well: they just say that you have to release your 4th and 1st accumulators from the top. But people is not used to this terminology. Releasing the 1st accumulator is just done by powering the swing with your right arm. Hope this help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key for S&amp;T is that it is a swing powered more by the right side than the left side. From the top you have to feel that your right arm (for righties) is conciously straightening to accelerate the club, while rotating your right shoulder down toward the ball.</p>
<p>Those who try S&amp;T just by using their left side are advocated to disater IMHO. S&amp;T is a swing derived from The golfing Machine. It is classified under those  types called &#8220;punch shot&#8221;. All it is said with this last sentence. I don´t know why this idea is not yet so known in the S&amp;T  community. P&amp;B don´t explain it well: they just say that you have to release your 4th and 1st accumulators from the top. But people is not used to this terminology. Releasing the 1st accumulator is just done by powering the swing with your right arm. Hope this help.</p>
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		<title>By: paul_and_tilt</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul_and_tilt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi guys!it&#039;s my first post here. i&#039;ve had the same problem of no bogies.it&#039;s my first week with the s&amp;t and i can say i&#039;ve never hit my irons as crisp as how can right now. occasionally i do shank it, probably when i hurry up my swing or something, but i can easily correct them. my real problem is my driver. i hit low pulls, ballooning pulls/draws with no distances at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi guys!it&#8217;s my first post here. i&#8217;ve had the same problem of no bogies.it&#8217;s my first week with the s&amp;t and i can say i&#8217;ve never hit my irons as crisp as how can right now. occasionally i do shank it, probably when i hurry up my swing or something, but i can easily correct them. my real problem is my driver. i hit low pulls, ballooning pulls/draws with no distances at all.</p>
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		<title>By: No Bogies</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/06/24/more-stack-tilt-analysis/comment-page-5/#comment-6039</link>
		<dc:creator>No Bogies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Help!

As posted previously,I&#039;ve had some good success with S&amp;T after committing to it this season. Much better consistency with my irons. I used to lose long irons right and had hard left pulls with my short irons. Now I rarely lose irons right an never pull them. Also my fat shots are well, less fat.

However, and here is where I need help, my last two rounds have been dreadful off the tee. I&#039;ve struggled using S&amp;T with the driver but now can&#039;t even seem to hit 3W or 5W! Everything is a low pull hook or I pop it up (trying to adjust for the low pull hook I suspect). Any ideas on what the heck I&#039;ve screwed up?

I&#039;m terrible at figuring out my own swing but am going to try and take some video this weekend to see if I notice anything.

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Help!</p>
<p>As posted previously,I&#8217;ve had some good success with S&amp;T after committing to it this season. Much better consistency with my irons. I used to lose long irons right and had hard left pulls with my short irons. Now I rarely lose irons right an never pull them. Also my fat shots are well, less fat.</p>
<p>However, and here is where I need help, my last two rounds have been dreadful off the tee. I&#8217;ve struggled using S&amp;T with the driver but now can&#8217;t even seem to hit 3W or 5W! Everything is a low pull hook or I pop it up (trying to adjust for the low pull hook I suspect). Any ideas on what the heck I&#8217;ve screwed up?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m terrible at figuring out my own swing but am going to try and take some video this weekend to see if I notice anything.</p>
<p>Your help would be greatly appreciated.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Paladin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paladin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorell,

I watched your videos.  You certainly seem to have a lot of talent.  As for excessive flexibility, that&#039;s a problem I wish I had!

Just so you know, your address position, with your arms not hanging but straight, is the Moe Norman, Natural Golf address position.  I&#039;m sure you arrived at it yourself, but check out Norman and you&#039;ll see what I mean.  (By the way, I do lend the theory behind this position a lot of credence.)

However, you&#039;re wrong about the ball position.  There isn&#039;t a S&amp;T pro alive who has the ball in the middle of his stance with the driver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorell,</p>
<p>I watched your videos.  You certainly seem to have a lot of talent.  As for excessive flexibility, that&#8217;s a problem I wish I had!</p>
<p>Just so you know, your address position, with your arms not hanging but straight, is the Moe Norman, Natural Golf address position.  I&#8217;m sure you arrived at it yourself, but check out Norman and you&#8217;ll see what I mean.  (By the way, I do lend the theory behind this position a lot of credence.)</p>
<p>However, you&#8217;re wrong about the ball position.  There isn&#8217;t a S&amp;T pro alive who has the ball in the middle of his stance with the driver.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorell Rohan</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/06/24/more-stack-tilt-analysis/comment-page-5/#comment-5812</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorell Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This guy has good info.

http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy has good info.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/" >http://www.oneplanegolfswing.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jorell Rohan</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/06/24/more-stack-tilt-analysis/comment-page-5/#comment-5811</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorell Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is something I posted on another site, maybe it will help a little.

Stack and Tilt works great! BUT, it has it&#039;s secrets... It has been my natural swing since the start. This is my first year of taking golf seriously and getting out to play more than once or twice a season. Now I&#039;m out 3 to 4 times a week on the range hitting 200 balls or playing rounds. It is possible to get good distance with a driver. I can regularly drive over 300 yards with S+T. I have noticed the &quot;on and off&quot; days everyone keeps talking about...and after 2 or 3 weeks my swing did get messed up a little just like everyone describes. So I started thinking...why would my swing be awesome and then for no reason start losing power, and hitting crap shots...? I took video upon video and anylized my good swings from my bad swings and what I found is that when I first started getting out this year I was really loading up well, loading the shaft and driving my hips forward...producing a powerful swing with a lot of consistancy. A great S+T. As this season has gone on, I&#039;ve gotten more flexible from the S+T (Left arm, back, mid section). That&#039;s where the problem lies for most people that they don&#039;t notice... My back swing was getting farther and farther back, my wrists were cocking further, my left knee was dropping farther, and because of all this my weight wasn&#039;t driving forward on impact. I, in a sence, got so flexible I couldn&#039;t properly load my club, and the farther I went back looking for the powerful &quot;coiled&quot; feeling I found at the begining of the season, the more my timing and swing angle got out of hand. So, looking back for all of you other S+T&#039;ers out there, make sure you check your angles (wrist cock and left knee flex especially), and don&#039;t let your increased flexibility ruin your great new swing. Just slow it down and concentrate on driving forward and opening your hips. If not you&#039;ll probably wind up driving your body more up, than up and forward...zapping your power and leading to those &quot;on and off&quot; days. One more thing I&#039;ve found that is suppose to be a big no no is that S+T works a lot better if you keep your arms straight at address, rather than letting them hang down naturaly. Think of yourself as a giant pendulum. Keep the shaft and your arms on a 45 degree plane all the way through your back swing. It kind of feels like swinging a bat but it feels natural and easy because of the left shoulder dip and forward lean. Keep your back at a 45 and your club plane at a 45 degree angle and you&#039;ll drive like a champ, a little steeper for irons. (I also use a bat style grip, not over laping my pinkies at all) This helps keep the club face square and leads to consistancy. If you are having problems with contact, try bringing the club back shallower (like a bat) on your back swing. DON&#039;T FORGET TO DRIVE YOUR HIPS FORWARD/UP AND OPEN THEM UP. Also remember on your back swing your knee should point to the ball as it flexes, and your right knee should straighten. Don&#039;t over flex your left or you&#039;ll come in way too steep and take a divit. As you get more flexible, you&#039;ll have to think about these things and check yourself. One more thing, tee your ball up so that the top of the driver head is lined up about 3/4 up the ball, and in the middle of your stance. Any higher or forward and you&#039;ll lose distance and power. Throw all of that ball forward in your stance and tee up higher crap out the window for this swing style or you&#039;ll suffer and be stroking your 5wd (off the carpet) just as far as your driver. Good luck.

Jorell
If you have any questions or want to see more video feel free to contact me at JorellR40@gmail.com

*search for &quot;Jorell&#039;s Stack and Tilt&quot; on You Tube if you want to see a good example of when I was starting to lose my shot. You&#039;ll see the over cocked wrists, and no hip thrust forward. But it will give you a general idea of where to start. (Keep in mind I forgot my cleats that day, and your left foot shouldn&#039;t turn as much as mine in the video.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is something I posted on another site, maybe it will help a little.</p>
<p>Stack and Tilt works great! BUT, it has it&#8217;s secrets&#8230; It has been my natural swing since the start. This is my first year of taking golf seriously and getting out to play more than once or twice a season. Now I&#8217;m out 3 to 4 times a week on the range hitting 200 balls or playing rounds. It is possible to get good distance with a driver. I can regularly drive over 300 yards with S+T. I have noticed the &#8220;on and off&#8221; days everyone keeps talking about&#8230;and after 2 or 3 weeks my swing did get messed up a little just like everyone describes. So I started thinking&#8230;why would my swing be awesome and then for no reason start losing power, and hitting crap shots&#8230;? I took video upon video and anylized my good swings from my bad swings and what I found is that when I first started getting out this year I was really loading up well, loading the shaft and driving my hips forward&#8230;producing a powerful swing with a lot of consistancy. A great S+T. As this season has gone on, I&#8217;ve gotten more flexible from the S+T (Left arm, back, mid section). That&#8217;s where the problem lies for most people that they don&#8217;t notice&#8230; My back swing was getting farther and farther back, my wrists were cocking further, my left knee was dropping farther, and because of all this my weight wasn&#8217;t driving forward on impact. I, in a sence, got so flexible I couldn&#8217;t properly load my club, and the farther I went back looking for the powerful &#8220;coiled&#8221; feeling I found at the begining of the season, the more my timing and swing angle got out of hand. So, looking back for all of you other S+T&#8217;ers out there, make sure you check your angles (wrist cock and left knee flex especially), and don&#8217;t let your increased flexibility ruin your great new swing. Just slow it down and concentrate on driving forward and opening your hips. If not you&#8217;ll probably wind up driving your body more up, than up and forward&#8230;zapping your power and leading to those &#8220;on and off&#8221; days. One more thing I&#8217;ve found that is suppose to be a big no no is that S+T works a lot better if you keep your arms straight at address, rather than letting them hang down naturaly. Think of yourself as a giant pendulum. Keep the shaft and your arms on a 45 degree plane all the way through your back swing. It kind of feels like swinging a bat but it feels natural and easy because of the left shoulder dip and forward lean. Keep your back at a 45 and your club plane at a 45 degree angle and you&#8217;ll drive like a champ, a little steeper for irons. (I also use a bat style grip, not over laping my pinkies at all) This helps keep the club face square and leads to consistancy. If you are having problems with contact, try bringing the club back shallower (like a bat) on your back swing. DON&#8217;T FORGET TO DRIVE YOUR HIPS FORWARD/UP AND OPEN THEM UP. Also remember on your back swing your knee should point to the ball as it flexes, and your right knee should straighten. Don&#8217;t over flex your left or you&#8217;ll come in way too steep and take a divit. As you get more flexible, you&#8217;ll have to think about these things and check yourself. One more thing, tee your ball up so that the top of the driver head is lined up about 3/4 up the ball, and in the middle of your stance. Any higher or forward and you&#8217;ll lose distance and power. Throw all of that ball forward in your stance and tee up higher crap out the window for this swing style or you&#8217;ll suffer and be stroking your 5wd (off the carpet) just as far as your driver. Good luck.</p>
<p>Jorell<br />
If you have any questions or want to see more video feel free to contact me at <a href="mailto:JorellR40@gmail.com">JorellR40@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>*search for &#8220;Jorell&#8217;s Stack and Tilt&#8221; on You Tube if you want to see a good example of when I was starting to lose my shot. You&#8217;ll see the over cocked wrists, and no hip thrust forward. But it will give you a general idea of where to start. (Keep in mind I forgot my cleats that day, and your left foot shouldn&#8217;t turn as much as mine in the video.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jorell Rohan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jorell Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No no no don&#039;t tee it up higher or forward.  You&#039;ll get too much loft and lose distance with S+T.</description>
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