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	<title>Comments on: Misunderstood Advice: Hitting Down on the Ball</title>
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		<title>By: Willo'the Glen</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/09/26/misunderstood-advice-hitting-down-on-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-17667</link>
		<dc:creator>Willo'the Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 18:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see some comprehensive testing (I&#039;m sure one or the other of the club manufacturers have done this sort of thing with their high-tech, computer-controlled club testing machines, the descendants of &quot;Iron Byron&quot;) showing the differences in ball flight characteristics when the club strike occurs at various points in the arc of the swing.

I have a hard time believing that the ball is compressed against the turf by the impact of the club -- I&#039;ve never played off of a fairway that was harder then a golf ball, which it would have to be for this effect to be present. I think it far more likely -- and important to the quality of the golf shot -- that the interaction of the club face and the ball create backspin. The interaction between the surface of a spinning sphere (the golf ball) and the fluid through which it is moving has a profound effect on the path of the sphere, via the Magnus Effect; and of course, the amount of spin the sphere has retained when it comes into contact with the ground affects how it behaves on the turf.

So - intercepting the ball with the clubface while the club is still in some portion of the downward arc of its motion is pretty much certainly a Good Thing, but I think that most people misunderstand why it is a good thing -- esp. the huckster-proponent of &quot;Hit Down, Dammit!&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see some comprehensive testing (I&#8217;m sure one or the other of the club manufacturers have done this sort of thing with their high-tech, computer-controlled club testing machines, the descendants of &#8220;Iron Byron&#8221;) showing the differences in ball flight characteristics when the club strike occurs at various points in the arc of the swing.</p>
<p>I have a hard time believing that the ball is compressed against the turf by the impact of the club &#8212; I&#8217;ve never played off of a fairway that was harder then a golf ball, which it would have to be for this effect to be present. I think it far more likely &#8212; and important to the quality of the golf shot &#8212; that the interaction of the club face and the ball create backspin. The interaction between the surface of a spinning sphere (the golf ball) and the fluid through which it is moving has a profound effect on the path of the sphere, via the Magnus Effect; and of course, the amount of spin the sphere has retained when it comes into contact with the ground affects how it behaves on the turf.</p>
<p>So &#8211; intercepting the ball with the clubface while the club is still in some portion of the downward arc of its motion is pretty much certainly a Good Thing, but I think that most people misunderstand why it is a good thing &#8212; esp. the huckster-proponent of &#8220;Hit Down, Dammit!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Golf Ball Guru</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golf Ball Guru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the in depth explanation, I will have to try some of these tips when I go to the range next. I have serious issues trying to follow these tips while staying relaxed though, but I guess that&#039;s golf for ya. I either stay relaxed and lose all form, or have too strict of form and my mind is cluttered. I&#039;ll try these tips out this weekend and let you know how they worked for me.

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the in depth explanation, I will have to try some of these tips when I go to the range next. I have serious issues trying to follow these tips while staying relaxed though, but I guess that&#8217;s golf for ya. I either stay relaxed and lose all form, or have too strict of form and my mind is cluttered. I&#8217;ll try these tips out this weekend and let you know how they worked for me.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: TimothyW</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/09/26/misunderstood-advice-hitting-down-on-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-10724</link>
		<dc:creator>TimothyW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the hands are forward in the entire downswing through the follow-through then the divot will be taken automatically. Hands forward at impact means that the club is still travelling downward to low point. After three years of returning to golf, I now understand what it means to hit down on the ball, the club head has to lag, if it doesn&#039;t then the ball won&#039;t compress. The worst swing thought ever that plagues many golfers is the phrase &quot;get under the ball&quot; in attemping to &quot;get under the ball,&quot; the clubhead is thrown at the ball and the result is topped, duffed, and thin shots. Swinging down on the ball in order to compress it means that the club shaft has to be stressed in the downswing all the way through to the follow-through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the hands are forward in the entire downswing through the follow-through then the divot will be taken automatically. Hands forward at impact means that the club is still travelling downward to low point. After three years of returning to golf, I now understand what it means to hit down on the ball, the club head has to lag, if it doesn&#8217;t then the ball won&#8217;t compress. The worst swing thought ever that plagues many golfers is the phrase &#8220;get under the ball&#8221; in attemping to &#8220;get under the ball,&#8221; the clubhead is thrown at the ball and the result is topped, duffed, and thin shots. Swinging down on the ball in order to compress it means that the club shaft has to be stressed in the downswing all the way through to the follow-through.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe V.</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/09/26/misunderstood-advice-hitting-down-on-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-8001</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good advise. Some get confused by this statement. I have always heard that your divot should be the size of a strip of bacon. I try not to get to &quot;wrapped up&quot; on whether I am &quot;hitting down&quot; on the ball or not. I simply try to make good contact. Your advise continues to be very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advise. Some get confused by this statement. I have always heard that your divot should be the size of a strip of bacon. I try not to get to &#8220;wrapped up&#8221; on whether I am &#8220;hitting down&#8221; on the ball or not. I simply try to make good contact. Your advise continues to be very good.</p>
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		<title>By: Double Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Double Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 19:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ron, glad you found it helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ron, glad you found it helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the most easily understood advice.  Now that I know what &quot;hitting down on the ball&quot; actually meaans, I cannot wait to try it out on the course.  By far the best advice on any web sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the most easily understood advice.  Now that I know what &#8220;hitting down on the ball&#8221; actually meaans, I cannot wait to try it out on the course.  By far the best advice on any web sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Double Eagle</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/09/26/misunderstood-advice-hitting-down-on-the-ball/comment-page-1/#comment-7074</link>
		<dc:creator>Double Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My pleasure, Les.  I&#039;m glad it was a help.

If you never take a divot, it may be that your swing plane is very shallow and flat.  If you&#039;re not familiar with what that means, this might help: http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/12/22/golf-glossary-swing-plane-edition/

In relation to that image that you&#039;ll see by clicking that link, a shallow plane would have your club approaching the ball on or underneath that line and with the shaft possibly more parallel to the ground.  The opposite would be more upright where the shaft is more vertical as the club approaches the ball.

There&#039;s probably nothing inherently wrong with that, but you might not be maximizing your spin by hitting down on the ball.

Regarding ball position, I don&#039;t typically like to play any standard shots behind the center of my stance.  I might do it for a punch shot or something, but I pretty much play everything from 7-iron and down in the middle of my stance.  For longer clubs, I like to move it a little more forward, but even for long irons, I don&#039;t like to move it more than a ball-width or two forward of center.

Your pro was probably trying to maximize the spin with your shorter clubs by having you put the ball a little behind center.  That forces you to hit more down on the ball because if you don&#039;t, you&#039;d likely end up making really thin contact.  But it also may force you to keep your weight hanging to the right some to avoid smothering it (hitting down on top of the ball).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pleasure, Les.  I&#8217;m glad it was a help.</p>
<p>If you never take a divot, it may be that your swing plane is very shallow and flat.  If you&#8217;re not familiar with what that means, this might help: <a href="http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/12/22/golf-glossary-swing-plane-edition/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifeintherough.com/2007/12/22/golf-glossary-swing-plane-edition/</a></p>
<p>In relation to that image that you&#8217;ll see by clicking that link, a shallow plane would have your club approaching the ball on or underneath that line and with the shaft possibly more parallel to the ground.  The opposite would be more upright where the shaft is more vertical as the club approaches the ball.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s probably nothing inherently wrong with that, but you might not be maximizing your spin by hitting down on the ball.</p>
<p>Regarding ball position, I don&#8217;t typically like to play any standard shots behind the center of my stance.  I might do it for a punch shot or something, but I pretty much play everything from 7-iron and down in the middle of my stance.  For longer clubs, I like to move it a little more forward, but even for long irons, I don&#8217;t like to move it more than a ball-width or two forward of center.</p>
<p>Your pro was probably trying to maximize the spin with your shorter clubs by having you put the ball a little behind center.  That forces you to hit more down on the ball because if you don&#8217;t, you&#8217;d likely end up making really thin contact.  But it also may force you to keep your weight hanging to the right some to avoid smothering it (hitting down on top of the ball).</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!  Great explanation over a concept I never understood.  I have been the dreaded weekend hacker.  I almost never leave a divot.  
Also, pro I was taking lessons from had me changing ball position front to back depending on which iron I was using.  (7 in the middle)
I would love to hear your comments on these two items!  Thank you again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!  Great explanation over a concept I never understood.  I have been the dreaded weekend hacker.  I almost never leave a divot.<br />
Also, pro I was taking lessons from had me changing ball position front to back depending on which iron I was using.  (7 in the middle)<br />
I would love to hear your comments on these two items!  Thank you again.</p>
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		<title>By: Double Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Double Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 01:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

Without seeing your swing, it&#039;s difficult to give an opinion.  However, one possibility that does come to mind is that you may be swaying way too much during your swing.

The low point of your swing will generally somewhere just forward of the center of your chest (not quite in the center, because you hold the club with one hand below the other and your shoulders are tilted).  If you sway that point forward two inches, then your low point will more forward two inches.  Same if you sway the opposite way.

Next time you hit some range balls, maybe try and get a sense of whether you are swaying excessively during the swing.  Generally, your hips probably should not sway over the outsides of your feet.

Another possibility is that you&#039;re changing your spine angle during the swing.  If during the back swing, you tilt more to the right away from the ball, or even the opposite way in a reverse-pivot, you could be adding all sorts of variation to the low point of your swing.  But that definitely has the effect of moving that point in your chest where your low-point will occur.

One thing that might help is searching around YouTube for some CBS SwingVision clips (face on) of some of the PGA Tour pros.  Pay careful attention to how their weight shifts during the swing, how their shoulders tilt, and how the center point in their chest moves during the swing. That might help you to understand what a proper weight shift should look like and might help you understand what you&#039;re doing differently.

I hope that helps some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>Without seeing your swing, it&#8217;s difficult to give an opinion.  However, one possibility that does come to mind is that you may be swaying way too much during your swing.</p>
<p>The low point of your swing will generally somewhere just forward of the center of your chest (not quite in the center, because you hold the club with one hand below the other and your shoulders are tilted).  If you sway that point forward two inches, then your low point will more forward two inches.  Same if you sway the opposite way.</p>
<p>Next time you hit some range balls, maybe try and get a sense of whether you are swaying excessively during the swing.  Generally, your hips probably should not sway over the outsides of your feet.</p>
<p>Another possibility is that you&#8217;re changing your spine angle during the swing.  If during the back swing, you tilt more to the right away from the ball, or even the opposite way in a reverse-pivot, you could be adding all sorts of variation to the low point of your swing.  But that definitely has the effect of moving that point in your chest where your low-point will occur.</p>
<p>One thing that might help is searching around YouTube for some CBS SwingVision clips (face on) of some of the PGA Tour pros.  Pay careful attention to how their weight shifts during the swing, how their shoulders tilt, and how the center point in their chest moves during the swing. That might help you to understand what a proper weight shift should look like and might help you understand what you&#8217;re doing differently.</p>
<p>I hope that helps some.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great explanation! I have an issue with not hitting the ground in the same spot. The bottom of my swing arc varies at least 4 to 6 inches. Any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great explanation! I have an issue with not hitting the ground in the same spot. The bottom of my swing arc varies at least 4 to 6 inches. Any ideas?</p>
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