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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2009/08/01/the-importance-of-proper-putting-setup/comment-page-1/#comment-7906</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 02:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great stuff. When you can get to the point where you can rely on your setup, you will make many more putts. We all know that confidence is key, and when you have confidence in your alignment, you can sink a lot of putts. Thanks for the article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great stuff. When you can get to the point where you can rely on your setup, you will make many more putts. We all know that confidence is key, and when you have confidence in your alignment, you can sink a lot of putts. Thanks for the article.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article on putting set up.Sounds like you had problems with
the simplicity of Putting,and are more used to a more complex
on-green game.

No worries though.Your alignment and ability to keep it through
the back stroke and follow through seems to mystify you.

You&#039;ll get better bit by bit and shave strokes off your putting.

No worries.

Mark G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article on putting set up.Sounds like you had problems with<br />
the simplicity of Putting,and are more used to a more complex<br />
on-green game.</p>
<p>No worries though.Your alignment and ability to keep it through<br />
the back stroke and follow through seems to mystify you.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll get better bit by bit and shave strokes off your putting.</p>
<p>No worries.</p>
<p>Mark G</p>
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		<title>By: nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting pint. I haven&#039;t used anything like the putting track lately (since noticing the loopy stroke) so I guess I should give it a try and see what happens. 

I do agree with you though that good consistent setup is the biggest factor in success on the greens. At least with the PILS approach.

And you&#039;re right about using them together. I recall at the end of one of the chapters he said if you can use the putting track, Elk&#039;s Key, and the super pro teacher clip you&#039;re stoke would be perfect mechanically. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting pint. I haven&#8217;t used anything like the putting track lately (since noticing the loopy stroke) so I guess I should give it a try and see what happens. </p>
<p>I do agree with you though that good consistent setup is the biggest factor in success on the greens. At least with the PILS approach.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right about using them together. I recall at the end of one of the chapters he said if you can use the putting track, Elk&#8217;s Key, and the super pro teacher clip you&#8217;re stoke would be perfect mechanically. <img src='http://www.lifeintherough.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Double Eagle</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2009/08/01/the-importance-of-proper-putting-setup/comment-page-1/#comment-6180</link>
		<dc:creator>Double Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 00:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate,

With respect to the Putting Track, I kind of look at it the opposite way.  You won&#039;t be &lt;i&gt;able&lt;/i&gt; to keep the putter head in the track without touching the sides if you don&#039;t fix your setup.  At least, not without manipulations in your hands/arms to accomplish it, which should be readily apparent.

The PILS stroke is so simple that setup really is like 80% of the problem.  Once you&#039;re aligned properly, hands directly below shoulder line creating a vertical pendulum, and gripping the club with a dead-hands grip, you&#039;re just about all the way there.  It&#039;s just a matter of taking it straight back and through.  The Putting Track helps get rid of the little compensations that remain.

If I recall correctly, Pelz says that the Putting Track and Elk&#039;s Key can be used together to groove a perfect setup and perfect stroke all at the same time.

If for some reason I was only able to own either the Putting Track or Elk&#039;s Key, I would definitely go with Elk&#039;s Key.  There&#039;s a putter path line on Elk&#039;s Key to help you take it straight back and through, but the setup feedback is so important and that&#039;s where it&#039;s so complete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate,</p>
<p>With respect to the Putting Track, I kind of look at it the opposite way.  You won&#8217;t be <i>able</i> to keep the putter head in the track without touching the sides if you don&#8217;t fix your setup.  At least, not without manipulations in your hands/arms to accomplish it, which should be readily apparent.</p>
<p>The PILS stroke is so simple that setup really is like 80% of the problem.  Once you&#8217;re aligned properly, hands directly below shoulder line creating a vertical pendulum, and gripping the club with a dead-hands grip, you&#8217;re just about all the way there.  It&#8217;s just a matter of taking it straight back and through.  The Putting Track helps get rid of the little compensations that remain.</p>
<p>If I recall correctly, Pelz says that the Putting Track and Elk&#8217;s Key can be used together to groove a perfect setup and perfect stroke all at the same time.</p>
<p>If for some reason I was only able to own either the Putting Track or Elk&#8217;s Key, I would definitely go with Elk&#8217;s Key.  There&#8217;s a putter path line on Elk&#8217;s Key to help you take it straight back and through, but the setup feedback is so important and that&#8217;s where it&#8217;s so complete.</p>
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		<title>By: nate</title>
		<link>http://www.lifeintherough.com/2009/08/01/the-importance-of-proper-putting-setup/comment-page-1/#comment-6179</link>
		<dc:creator>nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good point about not explicitly talking about shoulder motion ... I guess that part should be taken care of with proper setup and technique. I don&#039;t consciously think of my shoulder or even arm movement during the stroke, rather I use them as an indicator of whether I&#039;m getting the setup and technique ... if that makes any sense? Though you&#039;re right about the shoulders remaining parallel to the aim line throughout the stroke. I notice when I get my shoulders off line they seem to for the most part trace out the same path back and through (or at least from what I can see in a mirror). 

As for the Putting Track, does that not defeat the purpose of accurate feedback? It&#039;s relatively easy to train yourself to keep the putter head going in a straight line while not correcting the root of the problem -- whether that be poor alignment, poor mechanics or some combination of the two. 

Interesting stuff nonetheless. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good point about not explicitly talking about shoulder motion &#8230; I guess that part should be taken care of with proper setup and technique. I don&#8217;t consciously think of my shoulder or even arm movement during the stroke, rather I use them as an indicator of whether I&#8217;m getting the setup and technique &#8230; if that makes any sense? Though you&#8217;re right about the shoulders remaining parallel to the aim line throughout the stroke. I notice when I get my shoulders off line they seem to for the most part trace out the same path back and through (or at least from what I can see in a mirror). </p>
<p>As for the Putting Track, does that not defeat the purpose of accurate feedback? It&#8217;s relatively easy to train yourself to keep the putter head going in a straight line while not correcting the root of the problem &#8212; whether that be poor alignment, poor mechanics or some combination of the two. </p>
<p>Interesting stuff nonetheless. <img src='http://www.lifeintherough.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Double Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Double Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate,

I&#039;ve also noticed the figure-eight putting stroke at times.  I feel like it may also be caused by an improper setup.  In a PILS stroke, the shoulders at address are parallel to the aim line, and they remain square throughout the stroke.

However, if the shoulders are not square at address, then you can&#039;t swing straight back and through along the aim line without some manipulation happening.

Another possible problem is the hands not hanging directly below the shoulder line at address (failing to create a pure vertical pendulum).  If, say, you&#039;re too upright with your hands in front of your shoulder line (more toward the aim line), your PILS stroke will become a more rotary stroke.

Elk&#039;s Key will definitely help with that because it will get your eyes over the ball (or just behind it) and shoulders square.  It also gives a path line for you to swing along.  With the proper setup, it&#039;s very easy to get out of the figure-eight habit.

Another training aid that I use to help with that is Pelz&#039;s Putting Track.  That one will &lt;b&gt;definitely&lt;/b&gt; help you break the figure-eight habit.

I just leafed through the Short Game Bible and I believe you&#039;re right that he doesn&#039;t describe any specific shoulder action.  However, he does point out that if you set up with your body aligned correctly, with your hands directly below your shoulder center-point (creating a perfectly vertical pendulum), and you make a dead-hands stroke with absolutely no manipulations with your hands or forearms, you will naturally make a proper PILS stroke.  I&#039;m guessing he doesn&#039;t specifically address shoulder action because we&#039;re not supposed to &lt;i&gt;consciously&lt;/i&gt; have any specific shoulder action.  I believe, though, the shoulders will remain parallel to the aim line throughout the stroke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also noticed the figure-eight putting stroke at times.  I feel like it may also be caused by an improper setup.  In a PILS stroke, the shoulders at address are parallel to the aim line, and they remain square throughout the stroke.</p>
<p>However, if the shoulders are not square at address, then you can&#8217;t swing straight back and through along the aim line without some manipulation happening.</p>
<p>Another possible problem is the hands not hanging directly below the shoulder line at address (failing to create a pure vertical pendulum).  If, say, you&#8217;re too upright with your hands in front of your shoulder line (more toward the aim line), your PILS stroke will become a more rotary stroke.</p>
<p>Elk&#8217;s Key will definitely help with that because it will get your eyes over the ball (or just behind it) and shoulders square.  It also gives a path line for you to swing along.  With the proper setup, it&#8217;s very easy to get out of the figure-eight habit.</p>
<p>Another training aid that I use to help with that is Pelz&#8217;s Putting Track.  That one will <b>definitely</b> help you break the figure-eight habit.</p>
<p>I just leafed through the Short Game Bible and I believe you&#8217;re right that he doesn&#8217;t describe any specific shoulder action.  However, he does point out that if you set up with your body aligned correctly, with your hands directly below your shoulder center-point (creating a perfectly vertical pendulum), and you make a dead-hands stroke with absolutely no manipulations with your hands or forearms, you will naturally make a proper PILS stroke.  I&#8217;m guessing he doesn&#8217;t specifically address shoulder action because we&#8217;re not supposed to <i>consciously</i> have any specific shoulder action.  I believe, though, the shoulders will remain parallel to the aim line throughout the stroke.</p>
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		<title>By: nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mike, I saw this entry the other day while going through the posts I missed over the summer and had to leave my two cents. 

I&#039;m pretty sure I have a similar problem since I never feel like I&#039;m aiming correctly. One putt feels like I&#039;m aimed above the target line, the next I&#039;m probably below, and as a result I NEVER feel like I&#039;m ever *properly* aligned to anything. And that&#039;s no state of mind to be in before you even step up to the ball. 

I&#039;m thinking about getting Elk&#039;s Key for myself since (1) it seems to be the most reliable way to *quickly* get feedback on alignment issues and (2) all of the Pelz feedback devices I&#039;ve bought have been more than worth their weight in gold. :)

As an aside, something else I thought would be interesting to hear your take on is remedying the dreaded &quot;figure eight&quot; stroke by using Elk&#039;s Key. I thumbed back through the Putting Bible but I don&#039;t recall Pelz ever addressing that with regards to alignment and how your shoulders should move during the stroke. I seem to have caught a case of the eights lately (especially noticeable on short putts) and it&#039;s doing a number on my psyche and confidence. I think the rest of my stroke mechanics are pretty solid PILS wise, so I&#039;m *hoping* more consistency in my alignment and stroke motions will help me lick that problem pretty quickly. Anyway, like I said I&#039;d love to hear your two cents on that one if you see this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike, I saw this entry the other day while going through the posts I missed over the summer and had to leave my two cents. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure I have a similar problem since I never feel like I&#8217;m aiming correctly. One putt feels like I&#8217;m aimed above the target line, the next I&#8217;m probably below, and as a result I NEVER feel like I&#8217;m ever *properly* aligned to anything. And that&#8217;s no state of mind to be in before you even step up to the ball. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking about getting Elk&#8217;s Key for myself since (1) it seems to be the most reliable way to *quickly* get feedback on alignment issues and (2) all of the Pelz feedback devices I&#8217;ve bought have been more than worth their weight in gold. <img src='http://www.lifeintherough.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As an aside, something else I thought would be interesting to hear your take on is remedying the dreaded &#8220;figure eight&#8221; stroke by using Elk&#8217;s Key. I thumbed back through the Putting Bible but I don&#8217;t recall Pelz ever addressing that with regards to alignment and how your shoulders should move during the stroke. I seem to have caught a case of the eights lately (especially noticeable on short putts) and it&#8217;s doing a number on my psyche and confidence. I think the rest of my stroke mechanics are pretty solid PILS wise, so I&#8217;m *hoping* more consistency in my alignment and stroke motions will help me lick that problem pretty quickly. Anyway, like I said I&#8217;d love to hear your two cents on that one if you see this.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the class was very good. They had 2 instructors with 11 students. They start you out with  booklet and go over the pitch,chip, putt motions and explain the theory about 15 minutes. Then you split up and one group does bunkers. They use a bunker board. Great training aid. After 15 minutes I was hitting a majority of them within a 6 ft circle of the pin. Use different clubs out of the sand for different distances. Then we moved to chip and pitch. Again different clubs 60,56,8 iron. Always stressing setup, tempo and finish. We then had 1 hr lunch and then 2 1/2 hrs putting. This is where I really was shown the correct way to put and the correct concept. The training aids used really showed me what I was doing wrong. The instructors stressed to practice everyday for no more than 5 minutes on each with some sort of a training aid whether it be a Pelz or someone else as long as it is the a good puttung guide. The one that I really thought helped me was the Elk&#039;s Key. It has a putting line, ball position and mirrors. You look at the mirrors a nd you can see if your eyes are over the ball, your shoulders are square, which almost every student failed at, and a target line. The other aid that they gave us is the Teacher Putting Clips. It attaches to your face of putter and it has 2 metal clips and you have to strike the ball within the clips or your ball will go left or right. They stressed center contact, square club face between your feet, tempo and a must YOU HAVE TO WATCH THE FINISH OF YOUR BALL. They said it over and over. Now to put it on the course Monday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the class was very good. They had 2 instructors with 11 students. They start you out with  booklet and go over the pitch,chip, putt motions and explain the theory about 15 minutes. Then you split up and one group does bunkers. They use a bunker board. Great training aid. After 15 minutes I was hitting a majority of them within a 6 ft circle of the pin. Use different clubs out of the sand for different distances. Then we moved to chip and pitch. Again different clubs 60,56,8 iron. Always stressing setup, tempo and finish. We then had 1 hr lunch and then 2 1/2 hrs putting. This is where I really was shown the correct way to put and the correct concept. The training aids used really showed me what I was doing wrong. The instructors stressed to practice everyday for no more than 5 minutes on each with some sort of a training aid whether it be a Pelz or someone else as long as it is the a good puttung guide. The one that I really thought helped me was the Elk&#8217;s Key. It has a putting line, ball position and mirrors. You look at the mirrors a nd you can see if your eyes are over the ball, your shoulders are square, which almost every student failed at, and a target line. The other aid that they gave us is the Teacher Putting Clips. It attaches to your face of putter and it has 2 metal clips and you have to strike the ball within the clips or your ball will go left or right. They stressed center contact, square club face between your feet, tempo and a must YOU HAVE TO WATCH THE FINISH OF YOUR BALL. They said it over and over. Now to put it on the course Monday.</p>
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		<title>By: Double Eagle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Double Eagle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s awesome, Allen.  How did you like the one-day clinic?  I&#039;ve been thinking of doing one of those maybe over the winter or next spring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s awesome, Allen.  How did you like the one-day clinic?  I&#8217;ve been thinking of doing one of those maybe over the winter or next spring.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen Tyson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen Tyson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just took a Dave Pelz 1 day clinic today and we used the Elk&#039;s Key. I had been training with an arc trainer. What a difference the class was and training aids were. They had 3 good training aids today. Now I know what I am doing this winter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just took a Dave Pelz 1 day clinic today and we used the Elk&#8217;s Key. I had been training with an arc trainer. What a difference the class was and training aids were. They had 3 good training aids today. Now I know what I am doing this winter.</p>
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